4Car Trophy Review

[Nik]

He then goes on to state that if you turn the traction control off, the handling is precarious. WTF? Thats a sign of a bad car, needing traction to sort out the chassis. I really not sure this guy even drove the Trophy atall. Unless hes picking up the faults other reviewers missed.

He doesn't say that at all, thats just what you want to read into it.

Read the paragraph before and he says:

up to a very clearly defined point where the lazy oh-must-I-really traction control finally flickers into action.

And a word of warning: if you deactivate the traction control and step over that point......"

He doesn't say if you switch the traction contol off the handling is precarious at all.

What he says is a positive, in that the you have to be pushing the car very close to it's limit in order for the traction control to kick in. This follows that if you decide to turn it off you should be careful as you were already close to binning it when it was kicking in before.

A very well made point, and a good review. I can't vouch for the Boxter S thing not having been in the passenger seat with him at the time, but just about everything else he said is spot on.

 

[mr StinKa gob]

So you deny he says knife edge handling? Surely that is contrary to every review so far. Someone has to be wrong.

 

[matt the cat]

Mr 'king!' stromba....you need to drive a trophy to beleive the hype - i have had over 40 cars in my 15 years of drivin, 3 door and saphire cossies, gte 16v's, mr2 many golfs etc etc and beleive me I can talk from experience.

When i read the guff that you spit out it just sounds like sour grapes to me. If you are happy c*nting about in your shit charriots then great, but this is a clio trophy owners website, used by trophy owners who KNOW how good they are.

I suggest you try one, then buy one and stop being a knob. every review of the trophy i read say the same thing, every owner here agree's. so looking at all that collectlivley then i would say its only you with the problem. so go on, f*ck off and take your stats and figures with you.

 

[mr StinKa gob]

Seems that alot of people are very defensive about the trophy. I was critisising the review not the car. I suggest some people learn to read, before they try to argue with a guru.

As for owning a cossie. Did you own it from new? If not your not comparing like for like, your comparing a new trophy with a thrashed cossie. Doesnt take a genius to find the floor in your argument.

 

[richard3]

Some guru you are thinking a boxter s is a V6 LOL im sure the one I had was a flat six :lol: So im speaking from the experience you have never had and yes with the right driver it would keep up on a country lane providing not too many very long staights.

 

[Nik]

The problem is you've slated every review of the Trophy to date, yet you've shown above that you didn't read the review properly and misread what the author had written. It suggests you read what you want to read not what is actually written.

If you're sure you know better than just about every motoring journalist in the country then perhaps you should take hyb's suggestion and start your own magazine.

I promise to buy a copy.

 

[matt the cat]

I have had 5 cossie's - 1 three door, 3 saphire and an escort. The 3 door was my fathers from new and it had 16k on when i got it and the escort was new. the 3 saphires were indeed thrashed and modded to death, one to the tune of 420bhp, hybrid turbo, 3 bar map sensor, fith injector etc etc.

The point i make is this; the trophy really is a special car, its not absolutely perfect and like most things in life you can find fault. However for a 15k car it deserves every acclaim it receives. It really is that good. The handling is equisite.

I have owned also an E30 M3 LHD with the old dog leg getrag gearbox and even by todays standard it handled well - I would venture as far to say that the trophy handling, although different, is equally as good. the evo 'giant killer' article was spot on.

 

[mr StinKa gob]

Some guru you are thinking a boxter s is a V6 LOL im sure the one I had was a flat six :lol: So im speaking from the experience you have never had and yes with the right driver it would keep up on a country lane providing not too many very long staights.

Six cylinders, you knew what i meant. You argument is like trying to prove a blind man cheated at cards. Probable, yet pedantic.

 

[mr StinKa gob]

The problem is you've slated every review of the Trophy to date, yet you've shown above that you didn't read the review properly and misread what the author had written. It suggests you read what you want to read not what is actually written.

If you're sure you know better than just about every motoring journalist in the country then perhaps you should take hyb's suggestion and start your own magazine.

I promise to buy a copy.

Untrue, i thought the clarkson review was good as it was honest, and not a pile of cut and paste renault marketing crap. Ive also seen a couple of others that i thought were well written.

I beleive i have qualifications and experience enough to understand a good piece of work from a bad piece. If you think that these articles are in any way well written, well thats good for you. Personally i think most are at best banal, and at worst lazy ass journalism.

Few have any new insights. Most are regurgitating the same renault spiel. Very few of the writers appear to have any flair or passion for their work.

The fact is that anyone who knows anything about cars, in an enthusiasts non biased way, will understand that an M6, F430 or Boxster S will piss all over any clio. It amazes me that people come on these forums and pretend other wise. Just amazes me. Straight line, corners, wet, dry, these cars will be light years ahead.

Yet people seem to actually believe there clio would stand a chance. I know i like to extol the virtues of my Williams, but if you cant tell most is tongue in cheak i think you should consider a serious sense of humour transplant.

These cars are great at what they do. They are faster than certain other shopping karts, but to make some of the claims people do on this forum, just makes the whole site start to look like saxosport forum (or williamsclio), and drivers nothing more than vtr drivers.

 

[Nik]

but to make some of the claims people do on this forum, just makes the whole site start to look like saxosport forum (or williamsclio), and drivers nothing more than vtr drivers.

But what claims are these? I dont remember any posts on here like there used to be in Driving Tales on Cliosport where people have said they have owned X or Y in their Trophy? There's been nothing like that on here, and in general people seem to be quite realistic in the things they say about the Trophy.

The people who have made comparisons with other cars on here are those who used to drive these other cars and are drawing their own conclusions from first hand experience.

As far as I can see any other supposedly wild claims made have been by journalists. I would agree that the initial impression some of the reviews have given (e.g. the whole Giant killer thing in the evo review) are over the top and suggest things that just aren't going to be true in the real world. Read the reviews fully though and the claims are generally justified and put into context.

 

[amm]

did not know that king stromba had published yet.
I thort king stromba was gowing to trying out one the trophy forum for a year or two first :lol:

 

[strike]

Stromba, you are losing the plot. Before this thread, I actually read everything you had to say and deliberated on it. But now, after you said this:

Six cylinders, you knew what i meant. You argument is like trying to prove a blind man cheated at cards. Probable, yet pedantic.

The above is EXACTLY the argument you use more often than not, followed by something like, if you can't get your facts straight and form a basic argument, I am not even going to bother with you...

and:

They are faster than certain other shopping karts, but to make some of the claims people do on this forum, just makes the whole site start to look like saxosport forum (or williamsclio), and drivers nothing more than vtr drivers.

Which is blattently not true...

...makes you sound ignornant, hypocritical, stupid and bitter (not because of the cars, just because we are happy, and you it seems have a chip on your shoulder for merely existing). You sound like a bitter, emotionless idiot and from this point in time, after your most empty, retarded argument to date, I may have to completely disregard everything you have to say.

Do us a favour, and until you have something decent to say, SHUT THE F**K UP.

 

[hyb]

^ thats exactly what i said earlier

"pleb"

 

[mr StinKa gob]

It seems to me that you have not got anything intelligent to say so you resort to personal insults. Personally i think the article is poor. I didnt mention the car. I didnt mention the Williams. Seems to me that some people wished that i had.

 

[Tomx]

Why call the article poor when it was the writers opinions of the car. When you have driven a Trophy then you might be in a position to comment on the findings.

 

[mr StinKa gob]

Its not his opinions i disagree with, but a number of other points.

He contradicts himself and the consensus of other writers.

He races a car on public roads and brags about it (which makes him a knob imo instantly) and then shows the stupidity to print it in an article.

He talks about 'round about' handling. This belongs in the saxosports club along with traffic light grand prix tales.

He makes wild claims about destroying a boxster s which any enthusiasts would know is rubbish.

The article is banal.

He does nothing to explain why the car is so good, ie no technical reasoning or conjecture, which indicates he probably doesnt understand how the car works, which doesnt allow me to put alot of faith in the fact that he knows what hes talking about.

My opinion on the article.

 

[richard3]

Might be wrong about the V6 boxter stromba it really might be as good as you say lol .

 

[hyb]

He races a car on public roads and brags about it (which makes him a knob imo instantly) and then shows the stupidity to print it in an article.

and other knobs video it and place it on a forum. nice one plebian

 

[strike]

Its not his opinions i disagree with, but a number of other points.

He contradicts himself and the consensus of other writers.

He races a car on public roads and brags about it (which makes him a knob imo instantly) and then shows the stupidity to print it in an article.

He talks about 'round about' handling. This belongs in the saxosports club along with traffic light grand prix tales.

He makes wild claims about destroying a boxster s which any enthusiasts would know is rubbish.

The article is banal.

He does nothing to explain why the car is so good, ie no technical reasoning or conjecture, which indicates he probably doesnt understand how the car works, which doesnt allow me to put alot of faith in the fact that he knows what hes talking about.

My opinion on the article.

Fair enough, and I agree with you on most of those points. I totally agree about the racing. I was reading and thinking wtf?! From an article that starts all about his feelings about the car and progresses to an almost actual car review, I am sure its not the guy's best article...

Right, next thread...

 

[mr StinKa gob]

He races a car on public roads and brags about it (which makes him a knob imo instantly) and then shows the stupidity to print it in an article.

and other knobs video it and place it on a forum. nice one plebian

You seem a very angry person. Were you bullied at school?