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Nice test mate! that would make sense as the R1 is a rally car and has to cope with this shit....
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Nice test mate! that would make sense as the R1 is a rally car and has to cope with this shit....
According to their site they're 727.69 Euros which equates to £599.52.
Would a couple of clicks on the dampers not change how much weight had to be put onto the piston rod before it moved?
Yes okay, Linear vs Progressive is another argument completely. Looking at the dials the two dampers are pinned in two different locations (providing the adjusters were put on in the same place) Looks half a turn more/less on each one.
Just a small observation.
With the 'sides' to the dampers, possibly its drivers side and passenger side aware. In the Twingo the driver is on our passenger side and what would be our drivers side damper, is on the passenger side. Which of course is the drivers side on the Twingo
Hope that made sense.
Yes okay, Linear vs Progressive is another argument completely. Looking at the dials the two dampers are pinned in two different locations (providing the adjusters were put on in the same place) Looks half a turn more/less on each one.
Just a small observation.
With the 'sides' to the dampers, possibly its drivers side and passenger side aware. In the Twingo the driver is on our passenger side and what would be our drivers side damper, is on the passenger side. Which of course is the drivers side on the Twingo
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not totally sure about that mate, the swiss trophy its a left drive car and the sachs didnt swap siide
From what I can see and on images of other pairs of dampers, there are no differences in cup angles, so in theory you could swap between left and right. The only difference would be perhaps the damping rate maybe. The MK2 Twingo chassis is the same as the MK2 Clios.
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I've just done a search and the Twingo damper you have pictured (7711167414) is what would be our passenger side damper, so the reservoirs are actually on the opposite side than the Trophy units.
That's all I was trying to work out. Thought they may have been the same but bolted on differently.
not totally sure about that mate, the swiss trophy its a left drive car and the sachs didnt swap siide
I realised that yesterday after I turned the PC off. Checked the swiss trophy on my phone and the dampers were the same as ours.
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I honestly think swapping them around would make hardly a difference.
Same tbh. The only risk that you'd run is the gas chamber is more exposed to damage being at the front.
That's an ineresting find. I like the idea of a slightly stiffer progressive damper. Are they 600 per side?
Yes that price is per damper according to the Renault-sport site. However, you could contact Tom at West Renault to see if he can get a quote for you, the part numbers are 77 111 67 414 and 77 111 67 413. Be interesting to see if someone does fit them to the Trophy, ideal for someone who regularly tracks their Trophy.
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I doubt it's as simple as bolting on the Twingo R1 units, these are designed for rally use, ours are designed for road use, and surely BG Motorsports could tweek ours to suite a more track based car rather than forking out for new dampers which we don't know much about characteristic wise.
You are of course right, personally I wouldn't do it as I don't track my car (yet!). As for bolting then on to a Clio, the unit looks exactly identical and has the exact same dimensions from what I can tell with a tape measure right down to the bolt spacing and the thread at the top of the rod. But of course there is the question of longevity and whether they would stand up to all year round weathering and thousands of road miles, but they could prove to be even more durable to stand up to the rigors of a rallying. But as I said, if you are looking to track your car (and if you have money to burn!), well why not, could make a decent alternative to aftermarket coil overs. I'm not condoning anyone should do this without throughly looking into this before making a purchase, just that the option is there possibly.
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Yes I agree. When I said 'I doubt it's as simple as bolting them on' I meant further setting up may be required, as in choosing the right springs etc, then pehaps a different rear setup may be required. I looks like you could physically just swap them over but that isn't what I meant.
But, as the casing is the same as the ones on the Trophy then only the internals can be different, so i'm sure BG motorsports could change the internals, maybe for a cheaper price than buying new ones.
Probably unlikely seeing the cost of a refurb but that's the route I would go down first.
I would have thought the Trophy setup would be pretty much perfect for a road stage in a rally. It would be interesting to see what the internals are like and how they differ from the Trophy's and what makes them more progressive (if of course they are more progressive).
It just shows you how good these dampers are when you see very similar items used on rally cars.
But, as the casing is the same as the ones on the Trophy then only the internals can be different, so i'm sure BG motorsports could change the internals, maybe for a cheaper price than buying new ones.
Probably unlikely seeing the cost of a refurb but that's the route I would go down first.
I would have thought the Trophy setup would be pretty much perfect for a road stage in a rally. It would be interesting to see what the internals are like and how they differ from the Trophy's and what makes them more progressive (if of course they are more progressive).
It just shows you how good these dampers are when you see very similar items used on rally cars.
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So, to sum this up were the failing cases from BG due to a scored piston and the other 2 cases due to cracked gas O-roungs?
I may be interested in buying a Trophy but the costs and hassle involved in refurbishing the suspension every so often is putting me off.
Have any Trophy owners driven a 182 with cup packs and is the difference in suspension huge?
Interesting comments.
How does this affect the handling of the car?
Better suited for pot holed and wet roads?
Much as I am pretty disgusted with the prices of some of the refurbs coming out of BG I think a few high profile failures on here have tarnished the process and as you point out these seem to have specific reasons behind the failures. Owners have been getting them refurbed for years previously without any (that i can remember) issues.
I'd guestimate at no more than 15KG.
Most of the couriers, ie City Link, TNT, Yodel will let you send up to 30KG without additional charge these days.