Morego 202 conversion

[Xuthos]

I have the morego conversion.

MIltek exhaust is included and sounds great, definite improvement in torque throughout the rev range, bigger push over 5000 revs, it definitely feels quicker - but didn't do before and after rolling road - sorry guys.
Combined withe the sticky rubber it was awesome at Rockingham last sunday and was reported to be leaving thick black lines on the track out of slow corners

 

[Steve]

You're the first Trophy I know of that's had the Morego 202 conversion, please give more details! Do you have the 202 stickers next to the Trophy ones? That would be cool.

 

[Steve]

Just put the stats in to letstorquebhp calculator - not bad at all! (This is with a kerb weight of 1060kg, which is correct if you remove the rear seats, like I have!) Drag strip quarter mile of 14 seconds!

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 202
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1060
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 193.63
0 - 60 (Secs) : 5.83
0 - 100 (Secs) : 14.58
60 - 100 (Secs) : 8.75
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.23
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 98.80
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.03
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 100.57

 

[Cue]

does that thing take into account the drag co-effiecient? as the clio isn't much better than a brick i'd say those were rough estimates.

 

[Guest]

Just put the stats in to letstorquebhp calculator - not bad at all! (This is with a kerb weight of 1060kg, which is correct if you remove the rear seats, like I have!) Drag strip quarter mile of 14 seconds!

How much do the rear seats weigh, then? Think I've read the kerb weight is 1090kgs?

 

[Cue]

i'd guess at 5 kg, when i took mine out they seemed to be made of polystyrene. the bar that they click into was the heaviest thing - that maybe 5 kg on its own.

 

[trophy176]

Remember change of exhaust will be real weight reduction.

 

[trophy176]

I d be very happy achieving those stats with my planned mods. Doing same as Morego buy from individuaol companies, as follows:

ITG - Myself!
Exhaust - AAS Newcastle
Manifold Match - Big Ben Angel works
Cams - ?????????????????? (Poss above or gdi)
Chip - RSTuning

 

[Steve]

That's my idea too, I might end up going for the Milltek but I want to do it my own way, that way you appreciate the modifications each for their own merit.

No, the letstorquebhp site is just a bit of fun, it takes average Cd's and tyre grip etc. It uses formulae from a database of existing stats about cars (all of which can be viewed on the site) and is pretty accurate. Although the S Works GP is nowhere near top of that list in reality, I don't think the grip of the front wheels would allow it!!

The thing I like most about it is you can show people how a small weight saving makes as much difference to the performance as scraping around for a couple of extra bhp. The kerb weight of the Trophy is 1075kg (did you get my Trophy Spec PDF post?) The seat base and back, parcel shelf, isofix bar and jack weigh 15kgs so I put mine in as 1060kg.

What I don't account for is the fact that I weigh 98kg so completely negate the saving.

 

[Guest]

Didn't see the spec-sheet post, so that would explain it! Think I got the 1090kgs from Evo.
Even with no rear seats my car's still lighter than yours with drivers, Steve. Combine that with the fact my car very rarely has more than 0.5 litres of fuel on board, and I've got a supercar on my hands! :lol:

 

[George K]

Steve, Out of interest could you run your predictions for the Clio 197 - let's say 185 bhp and 1,270 kg. Also JDM CTR; 220 bhp (225 PS) and again 1,270 kg. Thanks

 

[trophy176]

Have the cams made any effect on normal drivng?

Has power been lost below 5000rpm? Also has it become to fast for normal drivng?

Was talking to a guy last night and he did cams to a CRX and said it was no good for normal roads anymore.

 

[Xuthos]

Interesting question, apparently they developed the cams themselves and in fact there is a bigger increase in torque than there is in power and max torque is still reached at 5250 rpm, also they did not increase the rev limiter suggesting that all this would do is increase engine wear.

Idle is very slightly lumpy, but overall the performance throughtout the rev range is better.

Its not too fast though, not sure too fast is really possbile

 

[Steve]

Erm a weird one, I'm often perplexed at torque/power increases, surely if the max torque is now at 5250rpm (very close to the torque/power crossover at 5252rpm) then the power will increase by exactly the same amount?!?!?! MAybe the torque drops off rapidly enough after that point to mean that max. power is not as great a percentage increase because it's reached at 6750 where the torque is substantially lower? Think I might have just answered that one.

Inclined to agree about the increased rev limit, it's there for good reason - It's a Renault engine not a Honda V-Tec! Although i like the fact i never hit the limiter now, found it all too easy before.

GeorgeK - Sure, stats below, but in future if you want to find some more, go here;
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

Your 197;
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 185
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 148.01
0 - 60 (Secs) : 7.24
0 - 100 (Secs) : 19.24
60 - 100 (Secs) : 12.00
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.65
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 90.19
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.45
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 91.74

Manufacturer claim 197;
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 197
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1240
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 161.42
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.72
0 - 100 (Secs) : 17.35
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.63
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.13
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.36
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.93
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 94.99

Japan Domestic Market Civic Type-R (Yes, they are 225bhp before you query it);
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 225
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1190
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 192.11
0 - 60 (Secs) : 5.84
0 - 100 (Secs) : 14.34
60 - 100 (Secs) : 8.50
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.22
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 99.56
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.02
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 101.34

Now that's one fast FWD motor, 0-100 in 14.34 secs, not far off an M3!

 

[George K]

Steve, Thanks very much. Unfortunately the Honda Japan website admits that the the new JDM CTR is 1,270 kg- shame!!

 

[trophy176]

Can you do calculation for standard Trophy and also JDM Integra like on allvehicles website?

Curiosity!!

 

[George K]

Re Exhausts - I think that the Miltek system has two rear boxes - not the way to save weight, bearing in mind that the power gain is probably negligible. At the Autosport show they told me that they had not dynoed it.

 

[Steve]

Steve, Thanks very much. Unfortunately the Honda Japan website admits that the the new JDM CTR is 1,270 kg- shame!!

That's alright George, the least I can do, regurgitating some mindless statistics from a very limited calculator - compared with the proper informative posts that you provide.

So here are some more;

JDM CIVIC TYPE-R (According to new figures);

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 220
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 176.01
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.25
0 - 100 (Secs) : 15.59
60 - 100 (Secs) : 9.33
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.63
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 96.89
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.43
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 98.59

Looks like we'll be keeping the Trophy then!

INTEGRA DC5;

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 220
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1170
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 191.05
0 - 60 (Secs) : 5.87
0 - 100 (Secs) : 14.48
60 - 100 (Secs) : 8.61
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.25
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 99.20
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.05
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 100.97

SO balls to the new Jap Civic being quicker than the old DC5 Teg. I still want the Teg, who needs four doors anyway? Interestingly, the figures for the Civic would be about what you'd expect if you put the Megane 225 lump in a 197. SO still not that fast then!

 

[Guest]

Interestingly, the figures for the Civic would be about what you'd expect if you put the Megane 225 lump in a 197. SO still not that fast then!

Not until you remap it... :mrgreen:

 

[Steve]

What's the point, if you wanted that much grunt through the front wheels you may as well buy the Mazda MPS, a tried and tested 256bhp and the same weight as the Clio 197! I'm glad Renault stuck with N/A, just not glad they made it so big and heavy. Making way for the Twingo, it's so obvious now - just like the Golf made way for the Polo and that had to move up for the Lupo!

Edit (some time later) - Sometimes I read the last post and think 'what a cock' before realising it was me. A Mazda MPS, please. 150kgs heavier than a 197. It is a faster track car than the Trophy though despite being a bit dull dynamically. 1:31.3 around Bedford West, 2 seconds quicker! So it should though with twice the torque (280 ft lbf)