Can you feel it?

[Luke335]

Hi Everyone,
I'm always nosing around on here and love the site, but I don't post very often. Hopefully this question is relevant to most standard trophy owners and I'm not the only one!

I know that the brakes are the weakest link for the trophy, but I'm wondering if it's worth modifying anything else. I cannot decide if I should leave it standard or blow a bit of cash on it! ie, exhaust, sports cat, filter and remap.

I would like a slightly better sound from the exhaust and a bit more midrange would be welcome too. So, I would like to know if you guys that have remapped your trophy can really feel a difference. Does it pull better from lower in the rev range? Does it overpower a standard trophy down the straights, or is it not that noticeable really!

I know there is no straightforward answer, but I would be interested in your views and experiences. Was it worth it? I only do a couple of trackdays a year, and have a bike for ultimate speed and track. But my car gets driven hard on the minor roads here in France. :wink:

Should I just buy an exhaust, or go for it!

Also. Anyone know of an RS specialist in France. I'm living just outside of Paris.

Cheers,
Luke.

 

[Steve]

Hi Everyone,
I'm always nosing around on here and love the site, but I don't post very often. Hopefully this question is relevant to most standard trophy owners and I'm not the only one!

I know that the brakes are the weakest link for the trophy, but I'm wondering if it's worth modifying anything else. I cannot decide if I should leave it standard or blow a bit of cash on it! ie, exhaust, sports cat, filter and remap.

I would like a slightly better sound from the exhaust and a bit more midrange would be welcome too. So, I would like to know if you guys that have remapped your trophy can really feel a difference. Does it pull better from lower in the rev range? Does it overpower a standard trophy down the straights, or is it not that noticeable really!

I know there is no straightforward answer, but I would be interested in your views and experiences. Was it worth it? I only do a couple of trackdays a year, and have a bike for ultimate speed and track. But my car gets driven hard on the minor roads here in France. :wink:

Should I just buy an exhaust, or go for it!

Also. Anyone know of an RS specialist in France. I'm living just outside of Paris.

Cheers,
Luke.

I've got a re-map and would definitley go for it, it's not a huge difference but then it's not a huge amount of money and is a 'stealth' mod. The improved throttle response is worth it on it's own and it certainly doesn't 'over-power' the car, the chassis can cope with 200bhp easily. I haven't got an aftermarket exhaust yet, but after seeing Chiefbadger's last night (a Blue Flame one that I hadn't considered before) I really want one now. It wasn't noticably louder at tickover/low revs, just has a lovely raspy edge to it and sounds really motorsport as the revs increase. It looks awesome too, filling the arcs cut in the rear apron much better and is slash cut so follows the angle of the apron. It was only £230 in a cliosport group buy too - Dammit!

For a perfect set-up (and especially If I could pick it up from France easily like you) I would go for an Orbisoud exhaust and an ITG Maxogen closed induction system to go with my Group N re-map. That would be it for engine mods for me, and other than that I would upgrade my brake discs/pads and hoses/fluid for road and some track use. And a ClioTrophy.co.uk sticker for the rear window, best value mod available!

 

[Luke335]

Steve,
thanks for the advice. I did try to visit Orbisoud on the weekend, but they were closed. Its only a small workshop from what I could see. Not quite what I was expecting. I really want to experience one first hand. I don't want something which attracts too much attention from police etc by being really loud though!

The remap sounds good, and the higher rev limit could come in useful too. Can this be custom mapped to a particular car? I noticed 7MAT's superchip was custom mapped to his mods and it made quite a difference.

I hadn't really considered an induction kit. Does the closed system actually work to increase power then. I get the impression that IK's often don't help. I suppose as long as it gets cool air it should help!

I have a couple of stickers, but acceleration hasn't really improved

Thanks again

 

[Steve]

Steve,
thanks for the advice. I did try to visit Orbisoud on the weekend, but they were closed. Its only a small workshop from what I could see. Not quite what I was expecting. I really want to experience one first hand. I don't want something which attracts too much attention from police etc by being really loud though!

Very interesting, It is the system from the Clio Cup race cars and has an integrated sports cat, I don't think it's overly loud like some, maybe if Asim reads this thread he can post a movie of his with the engine running and throttle blipped etc.

The remap sounds good, and the higher rev limit could come in useful too. Can this be custom mapped to a particular car? I noticed 7MAT's superchip was custom mapped to his mods and it made quite a difference.

I got mine from K-Tec racing in Dorset and it was a custom map for the 182 based on the Group N re-map originally for the 172 Group N rally car. It has been altered to suit future modifications, specifically - providing more fuel at the top end to benefit the breathing mods such as freer flowing exhaust and closed induction kit. It increases the torque across the middle of the range by as much as 18lb/ft at the fly and peak power is increased by approx 8bhp at the fly but more (up to 12bhp) lower down the range. This is verified by their rolling road graph data that is viewable on their site and it can be felt very noticably when accelerating. I'm used to it now, but I often felt before the re-map that the engine could be caught between gears and feel a bit breathless, especially below 4000rpm, whereas now it always feels keen, and seems to hold power a bit longer, rather than petering out before the rev limiter.

I hadn't really considered an induction kit. Does the closed system actually work to increase power then. I get the impression that IK's often don't help. I suppose as long as it gets cool air it should help!

Correct, A good closed induction kit, such as the Maxogen, with proper cool air ducting will increase power, especially in combination with a custom re-map. A poor closed system or open IK will do nothing but lower power and make more noise. You will experience heat soak to the filter in the engine bay and reduced air pressure in the manifold resulting in a drop in engine torque.

I have a couple of stickers, but acceleration hasn't really improved

Try sticking to just one, I think two may increase power output and reduce kerb weight to such an extent that you'll have trouble putting the power down with the reduced load over the front axle and subsequent loss of traction.

Hope this helps.

 

[Luke335]

Yeah, thanks for the comments. It does sound like the remap will make the car a bit more driveable when your not going flat out, or when caught between gears. The top end power would also be nice.

I'm beginning to wonder if I got the wrong impression of K-Tech. I thought they were a bit boy racer orientated! :?

Thanks.

 

[Ash87]

I'm beginning to wonder if I got the wrong impression of K-Tech. I thought they were a bit boy racer orientated! :?

for some styling this may be the case the body kits forexample are a bit ott but performance parts they seam good, my dad has used them alot for his R5 got it lowered there aswell.

 

[Steve]

No you got the right impression, in a way, they cater for all tastes there from lexus tail lights to proper mods, they also tune some proper track weaponry there.

 

[Luke335]

That's cool. I picked up some brake pads before and wasn't too sure! My family live pretty close, so it's ideal for me. I guess you have to cater for everyone really.

 

[T7PHY]

Just had a Janspeed fitted yesterday and think it will fit your requirements. It is not a lot louder than the standard system but growls a lot more and pulls with more vigour. On full chat, the noise is increased quite a bit and sounds awesome! The slash cut 3.5" tail-pipes look the business too - less pea-shooter than the OEM's.

All in all highly recommended. FYI my mods to date are:

Janspeed Cat back system
ITG Panel Filter
Philips Silvervision indicator bulbs front and back
Permagard (exterior, interior, glass and engine bay)
Bee Sting Aerial (as on the CTR)
Clio Trophy sticker in rear window!! :lol:

Combined I think I have one helluva car now!

Let me know if you want any more info.

Tom.

 

[FunkyMunky]

Just had a Janspeed fitted yesterday and think it will fit your requirements. It is not a lot louder than the standard system but growls a lot more and pulls with more vigour. On full chat, the noise is increased quite a bit and sounds awesome! The slash cut 3.5" tail-pipes look the business too - less pee-shooter than the OEM's.

All in all highly recommended. FYI my mods to date are:

Janspeed Cat back system
ITG Panel Filter
Philips Silvervision indicator bulbs front and back
Permagard (exterior, interior, glass and engine bay)
Bee Sting Aerial (as on the CTR)
Clio Trophy sticker in rear window!! :lol:

Combined I think I have one helluva car now!

Let me know if you want any more info.

Tom.

Any pics of the new exhaust?

 

[T7PHY]

Give me until about 2pm and I'll have some up. :wink:

 

[Steve]

Nice mods Tom, now all you need is the re-map! :wink:

Do you have a picture of your aerial, and the exhaust come to that. I've got too many to choose from now.

Janspeed?
Orbisoud?
Blueflame?
Yozzasport?
Prospeed?
Magnex?
Any more?

 

[T7PHY]

Nice mods Tom, now all you need is the re-map! :wink:

Do you have a picture of your aerial, and the exhaust come to that. I've got too many to choose from now.

Janspeed?
Orbisoud?
Blueflame?
Yozzasport?
Prospeed?
Magnex?
Any more?

I'll get a pic of the aerial up after lunch as well mate... You're right, a remap is probably the next step but I've spent my modding budget for the next quarter already! Remap and brakes will be next.

I forgot to add that I've also bought a number plate that is being registered with the DVLA as we speak - T7PHY - it takes 3 to 4 weeks to process though! :lol:

 

[FunkyMunky]

Give me until about 2pm and I'll have some up. :wink:

cool, whereabouts in London are you? PM me if you like and don't want to give out specific location, i'd like to hear the exhaust too as it's one of my favoured choices out of the long list of aftermarket exhausts available

 

[Luke335]

Just had a Janspeed fitted yesterday and think it will fit your requirements. It is not a lot louder than the standard system but growls a lot more and pulls with more vigour. On full chat, the noise is increased quite a bit and sounds awesome! The slash cut 3.5" tail-pipes look the business too - less pee-shooter than the OEM's.

All in all highly recommended. FYI my mods to date are:

Janspeed Cat back system
ITG Panel Filter
Philips Silvervision indicator bulbs front and back
Permagard (exterior, interior, glass and engine bay)
Bee Sting Aerial (as on the CTR)
Clio Trophy sticker in rear window!! :lol:

Combined I think I have one helluva car now!

Let me know if you want any more info.

Tom.

Thanks Tom,
I saw 7MATT's janspeed at Abbeville earlier in the year. It did make the OEM exhaust look like a pee shooter! I was impressed but spent all my money elsewhere (motorbike). I have worked with janspeed briefly and they are obviously a very professional company. All this talk of Orbisoud has got me interested though. Time to get it sorted.

I was just wondering if you regular trackday goers actually notice any difference in speed relative to the standard 182? At Abbeville I found that the tuition I had made up for useless brakes and no mods!

 

[Steve]

Driver training is worth a shed load more than any brake or engine mods. A race driver could take a garden shed round a track quicker than an amateur in a Trophy. Might have a slightly lower drag co-efficient too!

 

[T7PHY]

Any pics of the new exhaust?

http://cliotrophy.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20434#20434

Exhaust pics at above link. Couldn't get aerial as camera ran out of juice. Will do it Monday.

Tom.

 

[Cue]

Driver training is worth a shed load more than any brake or engine mods. A race driver could take a garden shed round a track quicker than an amateur in a Trophy. Might have a slightly lower drag co-efficient too!

totally agree, you'd be looking at spending 000's on mods to save the 2 sec's a lap that a skilled driving course will give you.

 

[marky-p]

Hi Everyone,
I'm always nosing around on here and love the site, but I don't post very often. Hopefully this question is relevant to most standard trophy owners and I'm not the only one!

I know that the brakes are the weakest link for the trophy, but I'm wondering if it's worth modifying anything else. I cannot decide if I should leave it standard or blow a bit of cash on it! ie, exhaust, sports cat, filter and remap.

I would like a slightly better sound from the exhaust and a bit more midrange would be welcome too. So, I would like to know if you guys that have remapped your trophy can really feel a difference. Does it pull better from lower in the rev range? Does it overpower a standard trophy down the straights, or is it not that noticeable really!

I know there is no straightforward answer, but I would be interested in your views and experiences. Was it worth it? I only do a couple of trackdays a year, and have a bike for ultimate speed and track. But my car gets driven hard on the minor roads here in France. :wink:

Should I just buy an exhaust, or go for it!

Also. Anyone know of an RS specialist in France. I'm living just outside of Paris.

Cheers,
Luke.

Maybe you should think about a custom-made exhaust which would release a lot of torque. A close friend of mine, before he sold his 172 cup recently, had a custom-made group N rally exhaust made by Rsport in Wimbledon costing him just over £700. Rsport are actually affiliated to Renault and build/test the clio cup race cars. Combined with a group N rally ecu and a K&N air filter and no other mods, it put out 199bhp @ 6500rpm and 189lb/ft @ 5500rpm on the rolling road with the rev limit increased to 7800rpm. I have personally seen the graphs showing these figures. So far I haven't seen another naturally aspirated clio with so few mods with a higher torque output, not even the throttle bodied ones! At a recent french car show he did a quarter mile run and was the fastest clio there with a time of around 15 secs (I can't recall the exact time, it may have been even less.) The exhaust I'll admit was very loud but had that race edge to it and exploded into life on start-up sounding similar to a V8 rumble.

Compared to my Trophy the difference between the sheer pull of the torque and the throttle response was like night and day, so it is well worth considering. The only downside was that the exhaust sound can get quite loud and boomy at high speeds which takes some getting used to.

 

[Luke335]

Thanks Marky-p,
That car sounds great! I'd love mine to go like that, but would have to go for something a bit quieter and less powerfull I expect. I drive some long journeys.

The principle is exactly right though. I'm glad it's possible to make a noticeable difference without any major mods. I didn't want to throw a lot of money into the car and not feel any difference.

It doesn't look like R.sport have a website unfortunately. I'll have to see what I dig up!

cheers for the information,
Luke.