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Michelin PS3 Pioneers
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Ive got PS3s fitted on the front and I honestly don't think theres much difference at all. The tread pattern is nearly identical to PE2s. Having said that I've had them fitted for about a month and it hasn't really been the best driving conditions lately.
Honestly I am a bit confused by this as my PS3's seem fine and at least equivalent to the PE2's.
Are you sure there isn't something else up with your car?
Are you sure there isn't something else up with your car?
Take a look at slide 19 of 20 for the whole brand portfolio.
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/front ... 11&lang=EN
Depending on the page the link takes you to (if it's not direct to presentation), select the 'identity card' presentation of the four available, then page 19.
Brands listed are Michelin, BFGoodrich, Kleber, Uniroyal, Warrior, Riken, Taurus, Siamtyre, Kormoran. Remould portfolio is Pneu Laurent, Reamic and Encore.
As I used to hear in old school rallying circles, Michelin tyres "are expensive and might wear more quickly than others, but they stick like shit to a blanket." This was from a life long Goodyear ambassador.
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/front ... 11&lang=EN
Depending on the page the link takes you to (if it's not direct to presentation), select the 'identity card' presentation of the four available, then page 19.
Brands listed are Michelin, BFGoodrich, Kleber, Uniroyal, Warrior, Riken, Taurus, Siamtyre, Kormoran. Remould portfolio is Pneu Laurent, Reamic and Encore.
As I used to hear in old school rallying circles, Michelin tyres "are expensive and might wear more quickly than others, but they stick like shit to a blanket." This was from a life long Goodyear ambassador.
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I can't help but think that is a different company to the uniroyal brand in the UK.
The logo and tagline are both different and neither seem to list the same products.
http://www.uniroyaltires.com/
At the bottom it says copyright Michelin North america.
http://www.uniroyal-tyres.co.uk/
And this one says copyright Continental AG.
Mat.
The logo and tagline are both different and neither seem to list the same products.
http://www.uniroyaltires.com/
At the bottom it says copyright Michelin North america.
http://www.uniroyal-tyres.co.uk/
And this one says copyright Continental AG.
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Gordon said:
And in my experience Michelin are some of the harder wearing tyres on the market.
Mat.
Interesting Mat. I expect when Uniroyal was sold the owners split the brand rights by geography; Michelin purchasing N. America and Continental Europe.
It seems that it's slightly more complicated, the heritage of Uniroyal in Europe with Continental being longer than with Michelin in N. America.
"Back in 1895, the Belgian rubber goods manufacturer Englebert started producing tyres for Continental AG and other companies. After merging with US Rubber (Uniroyal) in 1958, the company changed its name to Uniroyal Englebert. Uniroyal, the inventor of the rain tyre, has been a European brand within the portfolio of Continental AG in Hanover, Germany, since 1979."
In 1990 Michelin purchased a controlling stake in what used to be US Rubber, and was at the time Uniroyal Goodrich Tire Company. Michelin completed its buyout of from Clayton & Dubilier (now Clayton, Dubilier & Rice) the private equity/leveraged buyout firm for $1.5bn.
Uniroyal Englebert must have been sold to Continental before Michelin came on to the scene. Likely around 1979. Perhaps US Rubber wanted to divest their European interests and focus on the US alone. Hence the sale to Continental.
So it's clear that the Uniroyal tyres we'll use in Europe will be manufactured by Continental.
Please bear in mind the quote about Michelin tyres wear rates releates to competition tyres, not road. It was also 1984 that the person quoted retired from competitive motorsport. Tyres will have changed a lot since then.
It seems that it's slightly more complicated, the heritage of Uniroyal in Europe with Continental being longer than with Michelin in N. America.
"Back in 1895, the Belgian rubber goods manufacturer Englebert started producing tyres for Continental AG and other companies. After merging with US Rubber (Uniroyal) in 1958, the company changed its name to Uniroyal Englebert. Uniroyal, the inventor of the rain tyre, has been a European brand within the portfolio of Continental AG in Hanover, Germany, since 1979."
In 1990 Michelin purchased a controlling stake in what used to be US Rubber, and was at the time Uniroyal Goodrich Tire Company. Michelin completed its buyout of from Clayton & Dubilier (now Clayton, Dubilier & Rice) the private equity/leveraged buyout firm for $1.5bn.
Uniroyal Englebert must have been sold to Continental before Michelin came on to the scene. Likely around 1979. Perhaps US Rubber wanted to divest their European interests and focus on the US alone. Hence the sale to Continental.
So it's clear that the Uniroyal tyres we'll use in Europe will be manufactured by Continental.
Please bear in mind the quote about Michelin tyres wear rates releates to competition tyres, not road. It was also 1984 that the person quoted retired from competitive motorsport. Tyres will have changed a lot since then.
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Ah yes, i was referring more towards recent road tyres, not had a great deal of experience with competition tyres.
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Quick update on the ps3s...
Wet performace is pretty special. You can push them harder than pe2s and when they do break it's all controllable and mucho fun.
Wet performace is pretty special. You can push them harder than pe2s and when they do break it's all controllable and mucho fun.
Sounds good - keep the updates coming as time goes on. Should be interesting to see how they handle snow.. Not that any summer tyres are likely to be especially good.. :lol:
After being hidden away through the harsh winter months i am now starting to prepare no259 for life back on the roads. Among a number of parts on the shopping list is 4 new tyres. Was planning on the ps3's as they seem the obvious option and have great reviews. Just wondering if their was anything else on the market to consider, the car is only on the roads in the summer so not massively fussed about 'wet grip' As for price, could do with something cheaper than the ps3's.. or is it just worth spending a bit more and go the michelins? Any advice would be great, Cheers Ed.
I got stuck in illkey in snow at end of 2010 at top of a big hill at cow and calf rocks, was terrified driving down it, dont think i can say the tyres were any better than any others in snow, seemed about same as any can be in such conditions hahaquik5i1ver said:
Need two PS3s for 415 but they are currently unavailable at Camskill. Any idea where I might be able to get hold of these at a reasonable price?
RichyB said:
Can anyone price up a pair of PS3's fitted inc VAT with Costco? Not sure if you can phone for prices as a non member.
Cheers
I've had 2 ps3's on the front for around 3 months now with pe2's on the rear that have done about 5000 miles. If I'm honest I'm not one of these people that think about things like tyres and how different tyres are better I just bought what I thought would be the best tyre.
However, since purchasing the ps3's I've started to think about it more!! When I bought the car it had pe2's on the front and Goodyear f1's on the back and whether it be dry or wet it handled like no other car id been in, it was immense. Just throw it and you no it's coming out alive! Yet with the set up I have on now I find that in the dry (obviously I'm talking pushing the car near it's limits) i find that it wants to oversteer?? The ps3 feel great in the dry and I don't find any roll in them at all. In the wet they do spin a lot more than the pe2's did and on round abouts again in the wet, I don't have the confidence I did when I had the f1 on the back.
When the time comes for me to buy new I will be trying the rainsports that the lads on CS rate very highly.
Hope this helps Elliott.
However, since purchasing the ps3's I've started to think about it more!! When I bought the car it had pe2's on the front and Goodyear f1's on the back and whether it be dry or wet it handled like no other car id been in, it was immense. Just throw it and you no it's coming out alive! Yet with the set up I have on now I find that in the dry (obviously I'm talking pushing the car near it's limits) i find that it wants to oversteer?? The ps3 feel great in the dry and I don't find any roll in them at all. In the wet they do spin a lot more than the pe2's did and on round abouts again in the wet, I don't have the confidence I did when I had the f1 on the back.
When the time comes for me to buy new I will be trying the rainsports that the lads on CS rate very highly.
Hope this helps Elliott.
