Alternatives for the rear sachs

[Mike256]

My rear sachs are reaching the point were there's more oil on the outside than the inside. It doesn't look like you can get them rebuilt so what is a good alternative.

I looked at koni adjustables but they marked as not for the cup models.

 

[MarcB]

Standard 182 CUP dampers.

I know a large amount of trophy owners have or do run them and while speaking about suspension with someone who knows there stuff better than most, the rear do very little.
I also have my suspicion that Renaults V2 Sachs (The black ones) are just cup dampers with a Sachs sticker on them.

@markfishy used to do a Koni rear damper that was adjustable but unsure if he still does them.

 

[hoolio]

I looked at koni adjustables but they marked as not for the cup models.

I have a set of the Mark Fish Koni adjustable (which he sold alongside his Trophy/182 springs) so I’m not sure where that information came from, perhaps they are different? I do have the boxes/model numbers for those.

 

[Mike256]

The koni part number is 8010-1048SPORT

I've not see the renault v2 sachs yet but will try and hunt down a set

 

[MarcB]

Orignal Renault Sachs From Factory (Silver)
Image supplied by @hoolio




The new version of rear Sachs Dampers (Black)

 

[hoolio]

 

[Mike256]

Looks like the koni's will work. I'll have a look at renault oem dampers as well

 

[Craig196]

I have a set of MF Koni adjustables stored that I'd be willing to part with. However they're in need of a refurb, but no doubt cheaper than new at circa £300 each from Kam racing...unless I've got my wires crossed? When I refresh I'll likely go with std Cup dampers

 

[hoolio]

I believe that amount is for the pair but @Mike256 in reference to your comment above, Kam say this:

These are also fitted to the rear of the Renault Clio 182 Trophy models as the standard Sachs dampers are not able to be replaced or rebuilt. These Koni adjustable rear dampers work well for both road and trackday use.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I use 182 cup dampers.

Rik Perry mentioned on here a few years ago now that when he compared the cup and trophy rear dampers the difference was negligible.

 

[Mike256]

Thanks for everyone's help.

From doing some price checking Kam racing sell oem cup dampers for £70 each and larkspeed sell koni's for £133 each.

 

[photo_ed]

If it was me, I’d be going with the 182 Cup items, I don’t doubt in the slightest Rik Perry’s findings that when tested, the rears were very very similar.

 

[hoolio]

I’m not sure they were ever put on a jig and actually tested side by side. I think it was just accepted that the rears could not be that much different Sachs to Cup. If I didn’t have original spares, the cup option wouldn’t be a difficult decision.

 

[Mike256]

Hopefully the wife doesn't see this.

I ordered the cup dampers today and decided the car needed a few more bits with the money I saved compared to buying koni dampers.

So I bought new dust cover bump stops for the fronts, a spare set of springs and a full set of powerflex bushes.

 

[rojer386]

What are the options for the car springs?

 

[MarcB]

What are the options for the car springs?

Rare if trying to go OE springs.

Front Yellow genuine Trophy springs are NLA and have been for some time.
Eibach done a group buy for aftermarket exact replacements as they made the original ones.

As for rears they are like hens teeth, Standard CUP rear springs with white & Red dots

Images of all below -

Trophy OE Renault Front Spring


Eibach Replacment Springs -





Genuine Trophy Rear Cup Springs -




The other springs that people ran for a long time and I have done for the last 14 years is Mark Fish Springs.

Brand New Mark Fish Trophy Springs

I bought these brand new Mark Fish Trophy spec springs for my build but, alas, it was never to see the light of day. As a result I am looking to sell them on. They are absolutely mint and this is the first and only time I've opened them - to take a few pics. I would like what I paid for them -...

cliotrophy.co.uk

 

[photo_ed]

What are the options for the car springs?

Just to add to @MarcB 's excellent answer re original springs.

There are also other aftermarket options, Eibach, Cooksport (though now also no longer available since they ceased trading) and Grams. These generally drop the car more than the original springs though.

I had also heard on the grapevine somewhere that Grams were working on a Trophy replica spring set, though not heard anything about that lately.

 

[MarcB]

if it was me I would personally trying the Mark Fish setup as it perfect IMO

 

[photo_ed]

if it was me I would personally trying the Mark Fish setup as it perfect IMO

Are they still available? I heard they'd all been sold now..

 

[MarcB]

Are they still available? I heard they'd all been sold now..

Need to speak directly with @markfishy as I have no idea.