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the owner of this one on here yet???

there wouldn't be many gains on a std engine i'd have thought, most people usually have at least a decat, exhaust and uprated filter first. an honest tuner would tell you to come back with more mods then the difference would be easily noticable

has anyone considered Chip Wizards? He's mapped the Siemans ECU for the Williams, it took a while for him to crack the code and now he can do them at will and it has more flexability than a piggy back. big hp's car made 151bhp at the wheels with basic breathing mods... which is about 180bhp...

bloody hell, twats! nice that they actually sorted it out no fuss though, I don't think you'd normally get that from Reno... this must be one of the better ones :lol:

PGR3 is just pure porn... I'm gonna get a 360 next month or so... still like PGR2 though for the slower cars, shame they took them all out really... still best racing game out to date though imo... love it :D

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perfect in theory... if only however! :lol: lol Stromba... it's over mate, you have lost the arguement by virtue you have proven nothing. Thank you for making the car I own also look crap... please don't ever try and argue a case for the Williams as it's embarrassing to read :wink: Don't...

yup, and you didn't listen to him either did you? :roll: :wink: :lol: anyway, is that it? can we put this to bed? Nik, please close this thread now, all points have been covered and the 'only' proof we have that we can go on is journo reviews... who are a more reliable source than...

class, both of those comments are off topic and therefore spam as they have nothing to do with the thread title. I said you would do this and you didn't fail to deliver... you can be read like a book... actually, more like a comic ;) I'm glad we have the laws of physics, but if big Albert...

1st valid point you have made today... lets see if you can improve on it now? :wink:

... he has a rolling road and hence i'm sure he knows how to use it for back to back testing... is that wrong, because if so your basically saying none of the results you get can be taken with a pinch of salt? scientists are only needed when you have someone pedantic enough to argue the toss...

thing is Roberta, your the one looking silly once again, your making EVERY excuse under the sun for being a girly wimp who clearly has no confidence in his ability to change gear and press pedals, or your cars performance (or lack of). just to humour you i'll start by saying "stop putting...

exactly Nik, may as well lock this before it goes completely off topic... I think we all know what KS idea of proof is: "that's the way it is because King Stromba said so!" ... what about the facts? "ha, fool, i'll just bore you to death by constantly going off topic until your eyes...

how so? we're not talking about product testing for safety or effectiveness under water at minus 50 degrees are we? it's a simple case of run the car with and without, all it needs to show is if their is an increase in power... I'd suggest Nick would be able to do this as he knows what he's...

well, as it has new internals it's not the same engine that left the reno factory is it? i'm assuming it has new internals if it's been built properly anyway. can you try and stay on topic please Robert, all this changing the subject nonsense is well and good, but the fact still remains that...

who cares who compares what for a living, what's that got to do with anything? it's not a very difficult or particularly demanding scientific test, you just line the cars up next to each other and press pedals... even your capable of this surely? how about stop making excuses and going off...

pmsl, your kidding right? sorry mate, but there is no such thing needed when comparing two cars on a purely performance based test. this is a which is quicker in a straight line test, as your original arguement was that a low mile or rebuilt/mint example would be as fast... rolling 1st, 2nd or...

is this another ornament, or a track toy? :lol: why not put it up against this fella's car for a test if it's standard and you actually have one... as that would make 3 Willy 1's and a hybrid? lol

haha, think it was stromba that wanted to see a standard Willy that's not been battered, ie fresh low mile or rebuilt example. he wants to see this test done, but wont do anything about it even though he now has 2 pretty mint willy 1's on low mile engine and the other rebuilt Williamseses...

my cars oooop north, i'll have you a doo :lol:

how would the Cup be behind if the rolling start was at 40? sorry, i'm being ostentatious, but it's the only way with you sometimes unfortunately, so forgive me if at anypoint I become amazingly irritating, as I am genuinely unsure on the best methods of communicating with you. I have...

yes, the P1 is faster, who said it wasn't? you said the claim made BY THE SCOOBY owner was bollox... even though this is actually far from a compliment to his car, he admitted his brother's lightly modded Cup kept up til around 80-90... you seem to be missing the bigger picture... just for you...

Stromba, we're not talking 0-100 though are we? he's said he's compared it against his brothers Cup with circa 185bhp (assuming this is estemated as Chris' was 190+ iirc?), so I don't really see what the problem is. The P1 figures you have there also seem rather on the fast side for a 280bhp...

Stromba, Paul and Neil are brothers, I don't see why Paul would big up his bro's car when he wasn't too happy about it being that close in the first place. I dont bout for a second that a P1 would piss on any Clio, but we're talking about a modded Cup and you should know yourself that those...

erm, Stromba, I wouldn't take the piss too much, I don't see why Paul would lie, afterall the P1 is his and the modded Cup is his brother's, Neil... who is off CS, his is a fast Cup, about same as Chris 'n' Nic's down the strip. your Williams prolly got smoked because it's standard...

pmsl, he'll take that as a complement i reckon... :roll:

the nana was originally owned by weight and i think he converted it to 2.0, not sure when Mehdi got it with it's orignal 1.8 and converted it again, but it's not been rebuilt, it's just low miles, 40ish k now. mines now on about 28k, loosening up still at high rpm :twisted: ... about that...

thought this thread was about Trophy's and WRX's... hows the Williams become involved :? agree with Iain, this is getting pedantic. the Trophy as most newer Clio's will be faster than the Williams, it's only the low mile and strong engined ones that do anything special, tbh most are...

Maverick, I don't believe any standard 172's have done a 14.6 , they all had exhaust, filter and decat's or one of them. Fastest MK2 was Kev's with just a Pro Speed zorst that ran a 14.6... similarly Craggy's VTS ran a 14.5 with a manifold and exhaust. I really don't think there are many...